Camcorder Tripods (best cheap)?

I'd say both those tripods are over-rated and over-priced. Wal-Mart has one just as good as both of those for about 20 dollars. For a tripod of that type you shouldn't spend more then that. With the lightweight camcorders and cameras of the digital age, the only thing you need is the most basic. If you're worried about the camcorder staying still in heavy winds or while moving in a vehicle you weight down the tripod with a gym bag or what ever is handy.